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are attacking grover more gift. grover -- grover norquist. one side is going to win because it's united, highly aggressive and reckless. >> they said they would reform entitlements later -- >> come on ... martha: later? how many things have we said we are going to do later? it's so ridiculous it makes you want to jump over the fiscal cliff. in terms of raising the debt limit again. let me put this out there. the reason for that is they don't want to go through this exercise of talking about spending cuts. >> the other part of what i was going to say many democrats want to reform entitlements as long as it doesn't hurt beneficiaries. if you are going to talk to me about tax raising. we are talking about the bush clauses, the bush taxes which are supposed to end after 9 years because they knew there would be huge deficits after that. >> this is not even serious. everybody agrees taxes are going up. taxes are going up on rich people period. the real question is how are you going to pull back on spending? we have a debt larger than our economy because of spending, specifically medicare spending. th
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